FAQ for ACX Narrator and Producers FB Group

last updated 10/10/17


Created and maintained by Karen Commins.
Please email me if you find broken links or want to suggest threads for inclusion.


NOTE: Most of the answers come from the ACX Narrators and Producers Facebook group. You must have an account on ACX in order to join the group.


If you're looking for the spreadsheet of editors and proofers, click here.

You can search for a word on this page by pressing CTRL-F (PC) or CMD-F (Mac).



Sections:

Starting In Narration

Starting As A Rights Holder

ACX Dashboard and Message System

Narrator Rates

Auditions

Royalty Share Projects

Book Prep

During Production

Marketing and Promotion

Getting Other Audiobook Work

Getting Other Voiceover Work

Miscellaneous




Starting In Narration

Before you do anything else, read Karen Commins's article 4 Keys to Becoming a Successful ACX Audiobook Producer


How NOT to introduce yourself to the ACX Narrators and Producers Facebook group

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/444804499052214/


What advice do you have for someone who wants to become a narrator?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/421821348017196/


How do I become an audiobook narrator when I don’t have money for training or a studio?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/285563388309660/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/438698696329461/ (Same poster, different day)


Where can I volunteer to gain experience?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/590452867820709/


I'm doing my first book. What advice do you have for me? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/365502270315771/ 


How can I become a better narrator? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/360454780820520/ 


How can I make a living doing audiobooks? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/360702410795757/ 


How did you make the switch to full-time narration? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/618433158356013/ 


What is the secret to success? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/538287999703863/ 


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Software


Which recording software should I get?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/365226417010023/


Which software do you use?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/268765453322787/


What is Punch and Roll (P&R) recording, and how do I use it? (great video from Don Baarns and Amanda Rose Smith)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/339748376224494/


I want to learn punch and roll but could use some encouragement.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/670205849845410/


Which tablet and annotation software should I use for the text? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/361574310708567/


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Hardware


Which mic should I get?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/320315861501079/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/336872339845431/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/589540074578655/


Which affordable microphone and interface combo work well on a Mac? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/678317252367603/


What mic position do you use? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/642922829240379/


What is your preferred device in the booth? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/676000312599297/


Do you wear headphones in the booth? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/657651431100852/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/557814011084595//


Which headphones should I get? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/649674255231903/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/452751628257501/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/380593648806633/


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Training


Spreadsheet of Vetted Audiobook Coaches: https://goo.gl/FgZQqc


Who do you recommend as a coach?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/352140018318663/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audiobookcrowd/permalink/1333334046686011/


Which webinars are useful?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/367484030117595/


Is this class worthwhile?

How can I determine whether advice I receive in Facebook or other forums is valid? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/550133301852666/ 


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Starting As A Rights Holder


Should an author narrate his or her book?

Karen Commins'sInD'ear column on this topic http://j.mp/InDear04-16


What Authors Can Do For Narrators

Ann Richardson's InD'ear column on this topic http://bit.ly/2hyK7xM


https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/344864445712887/


How can authors in Australia and elsewhere use ACX?

https://kdp.amazon.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=1014233#1014233


When should I choose non-exclusive distribution for my project? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/344864445712887/


How do I convert word count to finished hours? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/351766948355970/ 


What the difference between duet and dual narration, both in performance and cost? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/618293491703313/ 


How can I make my book stand out to attract auditions? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/395588193973845/ 


What advice do narrators have for writers? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/449781831887814/ 

Karen Commins's DigitalBookWorld article 4 Ways Planning For Your Audiobook Can Make You A Better Writer http://j.mp/DBW-PlanAudiobook


Where is some more information for rights holders?


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ACX Dashboard and Message System


How long will the ACX upload stay stuck on Processing Audio message?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/313912835474715/


How long does it take for a book to go from approved to retail, and what happens in the process? (Includes screen shots) 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/376777179188280/ 


How often does the dashboard update sales numbers?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/338509079681757/


When and where do you see sales/earnings reports?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/314728982059767/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/372020516330613/


Have you lost messages when using the ACX message system?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/375549139311084/ 


Do I receive any notification if a RH listens to my audition? What does a RH see on their screen? (with screen shots) 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/376204359245562/ 

If you don't read the entire thread above, at least watch the video of Bryan Cranston's advice to actors


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Narrator Rates


What rate should I enter on my profile?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/362189437313721/


Should I state my rate when auditioning? How do I negotiate my rate if I’m cast? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/250246175174715/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/545273562338640/


What are ins and outs of various payment options for PFH books? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/411944692338195/


How does a hybrid deal of RS contract plus PFH payment work? How do you set it up? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/561822290683767/


How can I convince a RH to at least pay my editing costs? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/497176243815039/


How do I charge for partial hours? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/365504736982191/


What are the rules for SAG/AFTRA Members? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/517759511756712/

Andrea Emmes Cenna's copious notes from Jeffrey Kafer's info-packed webinar and MUCH more (Slides are in group's Files section) https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/597765593756103/


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Auditions and Offers


Should I/how do I contact an author before auditioning?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/344899579042707/


What can I do to win more auditions?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/496421597223837/

Project manager Tina Dietz lists 9 ways to lose an audition


When the author posts a long script or the whole book, how much should I submit on an audition? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/380952885437376/


Why should my audition last no more than 5 minutes?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/403279403204724/


Can I use my audition in my profile?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/338373126362019/


How can you download your ACX audition from the audition page? (useful if you no longer have the file)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/491015941097736/


How do I convert word count to finished hours?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/351766948355970/


Can a rights holder post my audition outside ACX for their fans to vote on it?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/330438487155483/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/312967442235921/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/309173939281938/


Have you felt conflicted about auditioning for books with erotic scenes, and how do you get past the prudish feelings to record those scenes? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/393023387563659/ 


Who sets the dates on offers? How do you figure out stipend dates?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/452898421576155/


I received an unsolicited offer. Is it normal for books to be poorly written and edited?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/441350206064310/


What can you say to the RH to decline doing the book?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/412291008970230/


How can a RH make a direct offer to a narrator without first listening to auditions? 

Shortcut explanation from Kevin Pierce:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/569158483283481/?comment_id=569175979948398&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D 

Detailed explanation from Don Baarns https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/256828994516433/ 


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Royalty Share (RS) Projects


ACX Stipend Offer and Rules


What criteria does ACX use to award a stipend to a RS book?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/318473548351977/


Do RHs see the stipend banners?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/384624495070215/


How do I pick a good RS title?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/325082401024425/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/330493293816669/

ACX blog: Picking the Right Royalty Share Projects (Be sure to read the comments)


Which RS books will never be worth my time?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/399843506881647/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/324530574412941/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/536870476512282/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/537778439754819/


How much money can you make on RS books?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/268373180028681/


How can 2 narrators work together on a RS project? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/359399997592665/ 


How can I figure out the percentage I’ll be paid on a RS book? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/441847612681236/


How are the royalties reported? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/540396472826349/


What should I do if a RH wants to withdraw a published audiobook that was done on an RS contract? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/517502175115779/


What happens to a RS contract when the 7 years are up? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/385747234957941/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/461114757421188/


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Book Prep


What tools do you use for book prep?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/605839306282065/ 


Sections to Record

Should I record the dedication? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/285516574981008/ 


Do you read the text word-for-word? When are changes allowed?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/351297938402871/ 


Should I record the author's bio? 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564?view=permalink&id=584922195040443 


Should I read the dialogue attributions (he said/she said)? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/499946573538006/ 


Should I read the preview for the next book in a series?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/525302417669088/


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Pronunciation Help

Fabulous site of Pronunciation Resources for Narrators created and maintained by Judith West and Heather Henderson

AudioEloquence.com


How should I say abbreviations? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audiobookcrowd/permalink/1108995562453195/ 


How should I say Bible verses? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/487350291464301/ 


How should I say military and gun-related terms? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/471518453047485/ 


How should I say map coordinates? 

http://www.ubergizmo.com/how-to/read-gps-coordinates/ 


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During Production -- Technical


Outsource to these Editors and Proofers:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pz7Si8R2o0m15h4mBrmDcJ5CL9L5FDFvr_LH3bxqkdo/edit#gid=0


Can you submit a sample to ACX for feedback about meeting their specs?

https://www.acx.com/titleview/A58KZVXYUTNVF


How do people schedule their projects? Can you describe your workflow?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/478558232343507/


On average, how many hours of unedited audio do you record in a day?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/624169377782391/


What is your process of recording, editing, and mastering?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/592027994329863/


Do you ever use music or sound effects in your books?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/384518581747473/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/334133606785971/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/316328898566442/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/302884213244244/


Should I add reverb or other effects to indicate when speaking as a ghost? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/461775717355092/ 


Should I add music to the opening and closing credits?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/478558232343507/


How do I handle song quotes? Can I sing the lyrics?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/330503983815600/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/314484292084236/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/680858048780190/


Can someone help me measure and/or troubleshoot my RMS levels so I can meet the ACX mastering specs?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/337159116483420/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/344470872418911/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/337280499804615/

Audacity: https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/314774282055237/


What file name convention do you use? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/544029212463075/ 


Should I worry if my finished read is shorter or longer than the estimated time? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/555214958011167/ 


How do I resequence chapter files after uploading them? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/373972956135369/ 


What part of a book do you use for the retail sample?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/315257682006897/


What does the RH click so that a narrator can make changes to the completed book before the book is approved?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/385257058340292/


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During Production -- Performance


How do you get over new book nerves and start recording? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/634530603412935/ 


How do you say a line attributed to 2 people? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/445970688935595/ 


How should I read racial slurs in the text?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/529805900552073/


What should I do about charts and graphs?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/597004763832186/


How do you distinguish a character's internal thoughts from spoken dialogue? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/334501550082510/


How can a female narrator play the male characters?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/351643161701682/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/320979941434671/


How can a male narrator play the female characters?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/317103441822321/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/270379949828004/


How do you distinguish 8 women in a scene?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/488709141328416/


What are your thoughts about voicing the opposite gender?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/289176997948299/


Should I narrate a 1st person account from the opposite gender?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/403241763208488/


What has helped you most in differentiating characters? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/376436712555660/ 


Do you have a set of "stock" voices that you use? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/517685688430761/ 


How do you maintain voice consistency for a series? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/591127601086569/ 


Is it acceptable for an American perform a book in an Irish accent? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/385519104980754/


Where can I find examples of an Austrian accent? (most ideas apply to all accents) 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/385519104980754/


How meticulous should I be in correcting mistakes?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/461824967350167/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/474034299462567/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/435466369986027/ 


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During Production -- Communication and Contracts


How do you prevent a RH from micromanaging your performance and creative choices and/or reviewing each chapter?


More discussions on this topic:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/316737598525572/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/305531129646219/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/273266256206040/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/272501536282512/


Andrea Emmes Cenna’s template mail about Narrator as Director 

announced https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/367812773418054/ 

document 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/367820416750623/     



What do I say to an author who rewrote part of the manuscript after I submitted the complete audiobook and now wants me to re-record it? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/373184602880871/ 


How should I bill the RH for corrections due to manuscript changes?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/460886460777351/


How can the RH or narrator extend the deadline on the contract?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/467538050112192/


How do I/when should I back out of a contract?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/338796809652984/


How do I break a contract? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/363960290469969/


If I want to dissolve the contract, is it better for the narrator or RH to do it? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/584224708443525/


Should I use a pseudonym?

Ann Richardson's InD'ear column on pseudonyms http://hersmoothvoice.com/pseudonyms-why-would-a-narrator-need-one/


Do I need to set up a second account for a pseudonym?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/367211516811513/


Helpful videos for narrators:

Don Baarns’ YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/RedBaarnsAudio


Karen Commins’s video about using the iAnnotate app in the corrections phase

https://youtu.be/HyaKlR1wktg


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Marketing and Promotion


Karen Commins’s Audiobook Marketing Cheat Sheet:

http://AudiobookMarketingTips.com


How do you market audiobooks?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/332881703577828/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/334825003383498/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/338126019720063/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/316694681863197/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/343946619138003/


How much of the audiobook can be used in promotional excerpts?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/486829718183025/


How can a RH can market the book from their web site?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/410851099114221/


How can your pull the retail sample off Audible.com?

Use Steven Jay Cohen's nifty utility


How do you request a review from AudioFile Magazine?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/325737307625601/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/293278964204769/


How to Use Karen Commins’s Twitter Lists to Find Reviewers:

http://www.karencommins.com/2016/11/use-karen-comminss-audiobook-twitter-lists.html


How do you use the promo codes/get other reviews?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/339453639587301/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/328126287386703/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/352030754996256/


Do you read your reviews? Why or why not?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/489654907900506/


How do you handle negative reviews?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/390979247768073/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/296356957230303/


How does WhisperSync affect sales and earnings?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/325282267671105/


Karen Commins’s video demonstrating Whispersync:

https://youtu.be/oPQKndiQqK0


What do you think about making video trailers?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/685145605018101/


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Getting Other Audiobook Work


How can I increase my odds in sending out queries to authors?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/576739435858719/


How can you estimate finished time when pitching an author?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/379057232293608/?match=bXVsdGlwbHk%3D


Should I work with Beacon Audio?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/546305562235440/


What do you think about USB business cards or headshots on business cards?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/605347319664597/


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Getting Other Voiceover Work


What do you know about voiceover pay to play sites?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/342322035967128/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/332040853661913/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/626930877506241/


What do you think about LinkedIn?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/332484776950854/


How do you find/which sites are good to use for voice work outside of audiobooks?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/291535121045820/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/295571940642138/


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Miscellaneous


Jeff Kafer's instructions for billing union jobs via Deyan Audio 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/440449246154406/


What do you do to keep your spirits up when offers are elusive? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/439207906278540/


How do you maintain a positive attitude when faced with the annoyances of the job? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/permalink/483113638554633/


Is it okay or appropriate for group members to share discussions or pictures from this group elsewhere on FB? 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/362847307247934/


Should I provide my SSN for tax purposes or get an EIN? (also info about 1099s)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/permalink/369325319933466/


Pet peeves from audiobook listeners 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/140624362803564/372915522907779/


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